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Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1185	Posted - 2017.02.13 19:46:37 - [1] - Quote I have medical and emergency security personnel, as well as facilities, capable of handling hundreds of thousands if not millions of freed slaves when need be. They can swiftly be repurposed into crisis teams for this particular purpose if necessary. If you require third party testimony to their efficacy, contact Samira Kernher, or SFRIM leadership who have both seen them in action. Do allow for a few hours or more if we need to deploy Citadels for these efforts as there's obvious security issues organizing proper defenses. I would also request neutral oversight of these efforts, as it'd appear nominally hostile entities will be operating around these places. SFRIM deploying into the lands of my kin is a matter of concern if such oversight is not in place and may even be considered hostile without it.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1185	Posted - 2017.02.13 20:07:48 - [2] - Quote Capsuleer staging areas can contain so much more than just food and medicine, and SFRIM pilots are on record taking hostile military action against Tribal interests and people, even on our side of the border. If transparency and neutral oversight is for some reason unacceptable, that would make it far from unreasonable to suspect less... charitable intentions. Imperial 'Cargo Vessels' are routinely found carrying human 'cargo' when they're discovered in our space.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1185	Posted - 2017.02.13 20:26:50 - [3] - Quote Hard not to knowing that SFRIM are on record performing combat operations against my people even within our borders, and loyalists to the one nation that are actively and perpetually enslaving my people. I'm sure you can see why setting up a capsuleer staging citadel in our systems is thus a matter of concern without neutral oversight.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1185	Posted - 2017.02.13 21:13:31 - [4] - Quote Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Hard not to knowing that SFRIM are on record performing combat operations against my people even within our borders, and loyalists to the one nation that are actively and perpetually enslaving my people. I'm sure you can see why setting up a capsuleer staging citadel in our systems is thus a matter of concern without neutral oversight. There is noting in SFRIM's history to even remotely suggest that our humanitarian efforts ever have been or ever will be anything other than what we promise. Seeing as you worried about underhandedness despite the facts and my assurances I ask again if there is an organization in particular that you think could play the role of neutral. I am happy to consider and lobby the board to approve anybody that can handle the operation. In addition, if we were confident that another similarly supplied effort could be undertaken by you or some other Republic-aligned group, we would have no reservations about focusing on the Efu response exclusively. I actually have personal experience with... 'human cargo' being handed over to unknown parties by SFRIM and it took some serious efforts including aid from third parties to rectify the situation. So there is quite a bit in SFRIM's history to make it worrisome having SFRIM handling Muttokon unmonitored. I believe through a third party this particular issue has been resolved and I'll have a facility in place soon, along with personnel and assets all used for similar emergency situations. Muttokon II is being handled.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1185	Posted - 2017.02.13 21:58:02 - [5] - Quote It's not the aid that is objectionable. It's the documented history of aggression towards my people and the lesser known history of handing off my people to unknown parties during 'humanitarian aid' efforts. Which I also have documentation on. If letting you make cheap jabs about 'good faith' is the price to pay for ensuring the safety of my people, so be it. My reputation is understandably in tatters anyway so it makes little difference. A rescue center and staging area for friendly capsuleer efforts will be in place shortly.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1186	Posted - 2017.02.13 22:22:52 - [6] - Quote The matter is resolved. Muttokon II is covered and likely with more ISK, assets and personnel behind it than the previous 'solution'.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1186	Posted - 2017.02.13 22:59:31 - [7] - Quote There are four different nations seemingly under attack at this point. There is no reason at all to risk the people or capsuleers involved by allocating yourself to the one nation you're likely an avowed enemy of when others are already covering that location. Good will and hearty huggles and so on are all well and good, but none of those things trump the primary priority here: The people affected by these attacks. The best help they can get is from their own people. Billions are already spent and at work for Muttokon II simply on the off-chance capsuleers may gain humanitarian access. These people are being cared for as much as they can at this point, and if you seek to help people involved in this crisis I'm sure the other nations' loyalists will have room for you just like this one already has garnered a list of capsuleers ready to deploy.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1187	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:22:32 - [8] - Quote And should Muttokon II prove to be fully cared for and won't need any capsuleer aid at all, I'm certain my personal and other people's emergency response assets can be transferred under the control of parties handling the other crisis centers in other nations.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1192	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:12:24 - [9] - Quote One thing is for damn sure. The Muttokon II space elevator plaform will need to be protected. That thing going up in flames while in orbit? The entire planet might feel the effects. Stage your combat ships, ladies and gentlemen. We might yet prove needed.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1192	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:24:23 - [10] - Quote Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece.

Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1192	Posted - 2017.02.14 18:59:35 - [11] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece. Really? REALLY? Really.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1193	Posted - 2017.02.14 21:38:06 - [12] - Quote I'm more curious who'll take on Aridia. That may possibly be the worst system outside of nullsec hubs to try and set up shop.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1205	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:28:52 - [13] - Quote All that can be done is be prepared. Stock up on assets and resources, ensure you have combat ships available in case they're needed in the right areas, and be ready for anything. That is all that can ever be done when lack of information is the key problem.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1230	Posted - 2017.02.17 17:44:04 - [14] - Quote Unfortunately, it doesn't make much difference in terms of what we can do about it. Our scientists have nothing to work with, our medical or engineering minded have little data to use in their preparation work and - fortunately - it doesn't appear that those of us of the more martial persuasion have any uses just yet. So until more data is released, we remain at 'prepare, for damn near all eventualities' stages. The only light at the end of this tunnel however, is that there is some malicious intent behind it, which means there's someone out there in dire need of experiencing the wrath of capsuleers first hand.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1239	Posted - 2017.02.18 17:33:21 - [15] - Quote Nothing new from our side. Local customs offices have been reinforced and will probably go pop tonight, but from a capsuleer point of view the system is otherwise pretty much quiet. Until the authorities release more information, or the press manages to get some anyway, we know nothing new here. I know some people are working on getting information from groundside and trying to work out shipment and transit schedules and manifests, but we have nothing concrete as of yet. I'm sure they'll find something eventually, unless the authorities have sanitized the databanks even more vigorously than expected.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1358	Posted - 2017.03.05 10:58:01 - [16] - Quote One concern of theirs, the protestors that is, seems valid. It shouldn't be even remotely difficult to organize one-way unmanned deliveries of supplies and such into the quarantined areas. If there are still survivors in there, at any rate. So if "supplies are running low, with no further shipments of resources being permitted to pass through the cordon for more than a week" is the case, you have to wonder what's going on. The Megas are many things, but they're not that incompetent nor lacking in the resources needed to do these things. Odd to say the least.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1358	Posted - 2017.03.05 11:24:47 - [17] - Quote It is a possibility, but without confirmation of this eventuality the concerns raised remain valid. When they do not release this sort of information, it is only to be expected that there will be... reactions. I am frankly surprised there hasn't been more violent attempts so far.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1368	Posted - 2017.03.08 13:34:50 - [18] - Quote Except feeding them and providing them with necessary supplies and such. Because reasons.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1368	Posted - 2017.03.08 16:39:02 - [19] - Quote It would frankly be child's play to use unmanned cargo drones for such purposes, and if the idea is that everyone are already dead then it should be an equally simple matter to simply make that announcement. Unless you're claiming these forces are so staggeringly inept and incompetent that they can't achieve some very simple one-way deliveries into a quarantine area. It's got exactly **** all to do with 'kindness' and everything to do with basic humanity and the immeasurable worth of doing whatever can be done to preserve any survivors for information gathering purposes on top of that basic measure of humanitarian aid.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1368	Posted - 2017.03.08 17:08:23 - [20] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: It would frankly be child's play to use unmanned cargo drones for such purposes, and if the idea is that everyone are already dead then it should be an equally simple matter to simply make that announcement. Unless you're claiming these forces are so staggeringly inept and incompetent that they can't achieve some very simple one-way deliveries into a quarantine area. It's got exactly **** all to do with 'kindness' and everything to do with basic humanity and the immeasurable worth of doing whatever can be done to preserve any survivors for information gathering purposes on top of that basic measure of humanitarian aid. Passing an unmanned cargo drone is still passing something, Miz. In the case of self-contained orbital facilities, maybe that's doable without risk. In the case of a planetary city, though ... (I admit that's mostly what I was thinking of) ... or of a few sealed decks on an otherwise-unaffected station.... Step one: Filled cargo drones placed at quarantine perimeter in suitable area. Step two: Expand quarantine in that location to cover the cargo drones and the entry point. Step three: Send in cargo drones. Insert situation specific technology or resources as required, no outwards breach even remotely possible. We have mastered one way delivery systems in every other situation that requires it since before any of us bothered lobbing bits of tech or people into space. This is not even remotely difficult to achieve in any way, so that begs the question: Why is it not being done? I refuse to believe they are so unbelievably useless that they can't put this into action safely and effectively, so something else must be the reason.

Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1368	Posted - 2017.03.08 17:18:04 - [21] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I refuse to believe they are so unbelievably useless that they can't put this into action safely and effectively, so something else must be the reason. It might be a technical problem. Do you know what the characteristics of a "nanoshield" are, Miz? 'Cause I don't. There's a probably quite dead city on one side of this one, and a whole planetary population on the other, so I think they're going to be reluctant to do anything that requires them to, oh, say, switch it off, even briefly. Always a possibility, but it sounds more like an excuse to cave to cowardice to me. If there are people still alive in there, they've damn well earned a fighting chance.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1368	Posted - 2017.03.08 17:55:15 - [22] - Quote Apparently not, according to the latest release the SoCT has begun "genetic research on the latest strain of Kyonoke, in an attempt to "either create a vaccine, or an inhibitor with the intention of limiting the spread of the deadly pathogen"." Genetic research. On a prion. Apparently the reports of it being even remotely related to a prion disease was nonsense, or this report is nonsense, or... Spirits below, is there really nothing reported on this damned travesty that can be taken at face value? There's so much disinformation, intentional or not, that you almost have to assume it's intentional.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1369	Posted - 2017.03.08 18:31:34 - [23] - Quote The disinformation, lack of information and general unwillingness to provide even the slightest of information that could allow the significant resources of capsuleer researchers and the countless baseliner employees we can leverage to provide this sort of help is starting to grate. We are weeks into this situation and every damn one of our governments are clamming up to the point where it's damn near starting to look malicious. I swear by every spirit, soul and place I hold dear someone will die over this if it turns out their greed and power mongering is putting my people further at risk through this campaign of information blackout. Solitude being a tad far from Muttokon, and separated by multiple logistical nightmare systems at that, the apparently inept Republic government had better start showing they are doing something beyond just sitting on a Kyonoke bomb waiting for it to go off, or people are going to start taking matters into their own hands and surgically cut off from such things, we capsuleers can't even help stop that from happening. That this situation isn't a result of either massive incompetence or outright malice is starting to become a serious stretch at this point. Edit: @Aria All too possible, all too impossible to test and falsify without a damn sight more information. I'd rather not speculate too much about such doomsday scenarios when we have a demonstrable history of corrupt, power hungry and outright malicious governments not acting in our people's interests to begin with. Either way, we're sitting here with our thumbs up our arses without the information needed to do anything we weren't already doing weeks and weeks ago and that was wearing thin already then.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1369	Posted - 2017.03.08 19:07:46 - [24] - Quote Your naivete is endearing but in this case rather limiting. Every last one of our governments have a history of significant malice and underhandedness. The RSS has a fairly nasty history, the Federation's ugly underside has surfaced quite a few times even just in our careers as capsuleers, the State's Megacorporations and its culture is a prime example of one where sacrificing "for the greater good", i.e. more money and power to shareholders is common and given the Empire's willingness to inflict horror, slavery and destruction upon entire nations when it can I somewhat doubt they're above such things. Yes, it most certainly scans that all these governments are more than willing and able to suppress information for as long as possible while trying to gain as much as possible in terms of bioweapon data and more. So far, the SoCT seems to be the only ones willing to part with even a fraction of the information they gather. The simple fact of the matter is that they're not even willing to release information on whether or not there's survivors left in those sites, or any other of the countless pieces of information related to this situation that would pose absolutely zero danger to anyone. You'll have to forgive me, but blind obedience towards those who have in the past proven more than once that they are more than capable of malicious intent is morally and ethically abhorrent to me. If they want me obedient and loyal, they have to damn well earn it.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1376	Posted - 2017.03.10 02:00:11 - [25] - Quote And now the witch tries to play her horrifying displays of eldritch brewmancy off as 'satire' to avoid facing divine justice for her heresy. She must burn!
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1377	Posted - 2017.03.10 14:49:30 - [26] - Quote Or, and bear with me here... he's a clown given far too much attention and effort, encouraging him to wave that bladder and launch those pies with even more fervor.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1377	Posted - 2017.03.10 15:38:39 - [27] - Quote I'd rather be burned himself out once rather than remain a perpetual bleeding wound people keep poking so it won't close.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1394	Posted - 2017.03.11 17:00:21 - [28] - Quote Pelting a motorcade with rocks and raw fish seems to be one response to what appears to be a complete and utter failure to do anything useful to aid the victims at Myrskaa. It would appear it's not just us foreigners that are a bit outraged at the incompetence and/or malice on display here.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1394	Posted - 2017.03.12 09:16:45 - [29] - Quote It's chilling that even when the report says "protesters", everyone immediately starts assuming "rioters". These are not the same thing in any reasonable society.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1394	Posted - 2017.03.12 18:39:42 - [30] - Quote Well it turns out the footage was "heavily edited" and everything is actually just fine. Any protesters that got fired for speaking out probably deserves their new life as unemployed riff raff too, I'm sure.

Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1428	Posted - 2017.03.20 07:16:12 - [31] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Having only half followed this news so far. My big question is... why haven't we just glassed the affected areas yet? I mean sure holding out for a cure is nice and all. But frankly it's unlikely, and the longer we wait to act the greater the chance of a breach. Anyone who might still be alive is as good as dead already. Why string them along with false hope and put more lives at risk? Because only one site can really be 'glassed' and even that one makes that a huge risk. Muttokon II Orbital Platform: Pop that sucker and you may be raining the speck down on the populated planet below. The city of Myrska in Oijanen: "Glassing" it may very well breach containment and spread it across the planet. SoCT station in Aridia: Only part of the station is affected apparently, glassing will almost certainly spread it. Contaminated debris might float off and set off a new event elsewhere later. Mining Platform in Federation space: See Orbital Platform and SoCT station. Containment until safer disposal is possible is the best option for now. Worst case scenarios, the three spaceborne facilities can be towed into a star or something... and if the contagion spreads on the planet in Oijanen... ... well, glassing may very well prove to be the only choice, but with the staggering ability that spec has shown for survival even that would be a very tall order.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1468	Posted - 2017.03.28 18:06:30 - [32] - Quote Expeditions to the platform. ... interesting.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1502	Posted - 2017.04.02 14:18:04 - [33] - Quote About damned time. Spirits below, if there are any survivors left in that orbital platform, it'll be a miracle. Of course, they're still keeping all useful information away from us capsuleers as well as hiding their operations from our sight. Muttokon II's containment and staging center still detects exactly zero activity. Damn their eyes if all these delays are proving lethal.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1520	Posted - 2017.04.07 18:40:39 - [34] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: The alarm just triggered: Kyonoke detected aboard. To probably nobody's great surprise. It's a little hard to detect. I wonder how long it's been here. Okay, this is starting to become a farce. Who writes this crap? No really, this is starting to look like poorly written fiction more than anything else. New Eden's doing my bloody head in, I swear.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1521	Posted - 2017.04.08 12:35:30 - [35] - Quote So there's downsides to an inquest that is buy-in and only available to those with too much money, spare time and no other pressing duties. Who'dhavethunkit.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1526	Posted - 2017.04.08 17:20:53 - [36] - Quote It's more questioning that they're locking these procedures behind amongst other things a massive paywall - not payable in ISK by the way - and other things ensuring that only a few get to be part of it, when it's affecting potentially all of New Eden. That really drives home a few important facts about the powers that be.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1528	Posted - 2017.04.08 19:14:49 - [37] - Quote Not everything is in the news.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1534	Posted - 2017.04.09 12:41:29 - [38] - Quote If there ever was a point when I lost all hope in New Eden's nations, this would be it. We have a contagion quarantined in four particular places, so the solution is... - Let the SoCT deal with it. - Set up an insane voting system with binary options. - Leave the voting up to a random selection of capsuleers, locking everyone else out of the proceedings. - Mysteriously research, invent and manufacture a 'cure/vaccine' within days. - Doubling down, let's make it self-replicating nanite technology. - Force this on the entire cluster, untested, with literally no safeguards. - The four nations of New Eden apparently have no problem with this insanity? - A few capsuleers didn't have to use some clone back-ups. Yaay. What. the. hell. is. going. on. Seriously. The only reason I can tell this isn't some sort of horrifyingly bad piece of fiction is that the existence of such a horrifyingly bad writer is impossible. This is, bar none, the least credible, stupidest, most outrageous nonsense I have ever seen in my entire life. By what spirits-blinded authority did this farce get authorized? Every single medical professional and researcher in my employ have basically gone "Nope, this just didn't happen. It wouldn't, anywhere." until there's some form of proof delivered, because there is nothing in this entire insanity of a proceeding that ever gets even remotely close to anything even remotely resembling normal procedures for these situations. This is quite literally more terrifying than the notion of Kyonoke running rampant through New Eden.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1541	Posted - 2017.04.09 17:33:24 - [39] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Dat's cuz you don't get no re-speck 'round heah. I won't even bother telling you what that one earned you. You already know.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1541	Posted - 2017.04.09 23:37:17 - [40] - Quote DeT Resprox wrote: Ushra'Khan medical supply vessels are currently en-route en-masse to Muttokon. You have docking access at the MCSC citadel in orbit over Muttokon II. ... although that said, so far there's still no indication we're needed.

Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1542	Posted - 2017.04.10 06:39:30 - [41] - Quote Every concern she's raised is a valid one and none of them have been really been answered by anyone, other than with a whole lot of deflection.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1542	Posted - 2017.04.10 09:46:06 - [42] - Quote Public forum, public discussion, and it's not like the people weren't involved. It's almost as if this is worthy of some discussion, given that somehow these people were given the power to determine the fate of New Eden by some undetermined means and this raises questions. It's not like anyone's got a gun to their head to respond, and it'd appear that some people apparently have access to information and events others don't. Again, for undetermined reasons. Is it surprising that questions are raised about a charlie foxtrot of these proportions?
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1543	Posted - 2017.04.10 17:35:49 - [43] - Quote Unlike most Upwell structures, this is not in a capsuleer corporation and thus perfectly safe in highsec space, protected by CONCORD. Can't even bribe them for combat access like you can any other citadel in highsec. If you could, the thing would have been a smoking wreck seven days after erection on the minute I'd wager. Unsurprisingly, this also means you can't contain the contagion on it since getting valid target bribes in for every visitor - even if you could somehow convince them all to stay there for over twenty-four hours - is next to impossible.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1544	Posted - 2017.04.10 18:39:45 - [44] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Tsao Aubbes wrote: Regardless of when it becomes vulnerable, Sir, your corporation would need a valid declaration of war on the SoCT before you could legally shoot it. It is in highsec afterall, Sir.. Not actually true. You can shoot at any non-capsuleer organization without CONCORD reprisal (and the Society, despite having eggers, is a baseliner organization), even in high-sec. Just this morning, an old instructor of mine was telling me about 'accidentally' locking up a pair of Caldari Navy Scorpions and firing a few barrages from her Oracle while helping some new graduate deal with rogue drones near Arnon. Okay, now I want to see someone successfully suicide gank a highsec Keepstar, even if only because it'd be the single most unprecedented action in New Eden. I mean, not even plowing a supercarrier into a station can compare.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1547	Posted - 2017.04.10 21:45:01 - [45] - Quote And now it's apparently a to... damn it, what Red said. Who writes this crap?
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1547	Posted - 2017.04.10 22:22:13 - [46] - Quote Ignoring potential hazards and risks - especially ones with such massive potential for danger on large scales - is a tad foolhardy. Shouldn't be surprised people are looking for some answers to some very vital questions in this regard. All of which could be solved with some actually decent bloody information being shared, with something even remotely close to consistency at that. Now we're treating infections with antidotes and we've already been through prions, viruses, bacteria at this point. If this had been fiction, the plotholes would have had it boo'd off whatever venue or medium it came on. It's honestly weird to see how quickly people just blindly accept all the things that make no sense nor have even the slightest relationship with consistency.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1561	Posted - 2017.04.11 15:03:59 - [47] - Quote Oh she doesn't need stims to keep this up. Trust me. Dangle internal inconsistencies and a few piles of stupid in front of her and she can go on for days. Add to this that a whole lot of people are sticking their fingers in their ears, rocking back and forth and going "No no no! This isn't stupid! This makes sense. Aahahahaaah yes total sense, completely. New Eden hasn't gone completely batfuck insane." while giggling hysterically to themselves and you get a few people somewhat... exasperated with the state of affairs. As it were. It is frankly rather disgusting to see otherwise reasonable people trying so very hard to pretend this wasn't the worst debacle New Eden has seen in quite a few years.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1561	Posted - 2017.04.11 19:33:46 - [48] - Quote Can confirm, she can come to a consensus with only slight behavioral adjustment through electric shock therapy. At this point I don't think it'll be necessary, as I largely find myself in agreement with her.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1565	Posted - 2017.04.12 19:37:56 - [49] - Quote So potentially carrying around sufficiently large samples of the speck so anyone with a SeBo and sufficient firepower can go harvest to their heart's desire? Magnificent quarantine measures. Absolutely magnificent. Was New Eden always this stupid and I just didn't notice, or is this a new thing?
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1565	Posted - 2017.04.12 19:43:43 - [50] - Quote Yes, do keep deflecting reasonable concerns with knee-jerk snark. That makes it look less stupid, I'm sure. Any thoughts on how to prevent any potential speck build-up in the clone from being harvested by corpse collectors or are we just assuming no one will be doing anything but station spinning for the foreseeable future?

Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1566	Posted - 2017.04.12 20:13:36 - [51] - Quote Much better. Needlessly risky (just have a quarantine, it's not exactly rocket surgery), untested, lacking good safeguards and unnecessary, but better than the initial offering. Lacking quite a bit of information though. Who's 'they', what kind of oversight are we talking about, by who and so on and so forth? How quickly can the wetgraver hack and disable the antimatter charges and sell their corpse to the highest bidder? Etc.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1567	Posted - 2017.04.13 01:07:39 - [52] - Quote ... still an antidote and apparently exposing Kyonoke to vacuum... kills it? ... really? Also the "antidote" is apparently been rendered airborne. The "antidote" that has been previously described as uncomfortably invasive, and the platform is going to be de-orbited and disintegrated in the atmosphere. Again, after being exposed to vacuum, as this apparently kills Kyonoke now. The aforementioned cure being a "structured bio-speck that acts as a counter for the Kyonoke speck, rendering it inert." concludes this delightful crap sandwich of a report that in one fell swoop contradicts roughly half a dozen previous ones if not more. tl;dr: It's a speck, but apparently with genes, so it's more like a virus/bacterium/whatever and it now it's suddenly vulnerable to vacuum and the "cure" is an antidote that is also a "bio-speck" which by the way has been rendered airborne and mass produced. Still not tested in any satisfactory manner for that matter, and I doubt it'll be long before this gets pumped into other stations as well to quell any Kyonoke panic among the denizens. No really, is it really just me? New Eden can't possibly have been this stupid all along.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1569	Posted - 2017.04.13 01:35:48 - [53] - Quote If anyone reading this board had even the slightest power to do anything about this, that would probably have mattered more. People who have made efforts to contribute to this situation have been outright blocked from doing so with no explanation for why or how, and there is quite literally nothing to be constructive about. There is no path open towards being constructive when you're blocked from it, so all that remains is being a spectator, reacting to the information we're given. Even if you somehow could expect spectator commentary to be constructive, it's doubly impossible when the information we're given is wholly unreliable and demonstrably self-contradictory and unreliable. Which bits can be considered to be true? Which bits are falsehoods, intentionally or not? There's blatant incompetence on display, but there's no way to tell for sure where. Is it the reporters completely butchering the information they are given? Is it their sources? If so, which of their sources and which parts? If previous reports can't be trusted because these new ones contradict them, what's the veracity of these reports? The only constructive thing I can do at this point, partly because the powers that be decided to block some people from contributing while others got access - through a selection process I have no information on either, but certainly wasn't determined on competency, interest or efforts made in regards to this crisis -, is sift through this wreck field of a media feed and point out the parts that don't make sense. The parts that contradict each other. The parts that may or may not be false or untrustworthy. Our cluster, our people were and are at risk here and this right here? It's not exactly inspiring confidence in how this threat to them is being handled, and that's worth talking about. I will never tie anyone down and force them to listen to me, be it you capsuleers or the baseliners reading these boards. That does not mean I can't or even shouldn't voice these concerns. Kyonoke is one thing, but these reports and these proceedings are frankly worse nightmare fuel.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1569	Posted - 2017.04.13 01:47:53 - [54] - Quote This is the board. The things that are out of place have been pointed out and questioned. 'Applying science' either requires data to work with or if you're simply talking about the method, reliable information. I personally funded and secured facilities for scientific pursuits, medical research and more for that matter, and enlisted both the science crews and capsuleers I employ and opened it up to anyone else seeking such facilities. Oh and I spread the word about that as well. If this is insufficient, I wonder what exactly what you would consider sufficient to be able to speak on this subject?
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1569	Posted - 2017.04.13 02:01:33 - [55] - Quote @ Jaret: Since it covers a range of subjects, you'll find some of it in the Muttokon Containment and Staging thread and the rest in the relevant threads and places. If you are after one single public repository I should probably point out that there is no such thing made by anyone as far as I've been made aware. That is simply the nature of an organic board such as this and I do not have the necessary skills to create galnet portals with different structures.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1569	Posted - 2017.04.13 02:11:37 - [56] - Quote Do you apply these standards and requirements to everyone else, yourself included then? Not that it matters if you believe me or not. You made a list of things to do, and it's verifiable that I've demonstrably done so. It'll have to do.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1573	Posted - 2017.04.14 06:40:56 - [57] - Quote Which has already been done. By quite a few people, I suspect. I also suspect it doesn't actually get read or cared about.

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